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retiredoldfogee
retiredoldfogee
Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 9 2009, 9:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2009, 9:51 PM EDT
Hi Bob,

Beautiful plate. What are you hoping for?

Thanks,

Aaron
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
1. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 9 2009, 10:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2009, 10:12 PM EDT
"Hi Bob,

Beautiful plate. What are you hoping for?

Thanks,

Aaron"
Shiny pyrite amid quartz scepters. The minerals are there, but won't know how aesthetic they are until cleaned. If the luster is good on both, will be like opening a Christmas present when it comes out of the cleaning bath.
Bob
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retiredoldfogee
retiredoldfogee
2. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 9 2009, 10:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2009, 10:20 PM EDT
"Shiny pyrite amid quartz scepters. The minerals are there, but won't know how aesthetic they are until cleaned. If the luster is good on both, will be like opening a Christmas present when it comes out of the cleaning bath.
Bob"
I think its gorgeous just the way it is. I noticed something different about that plate. Its lighter yellow towards the base, and rustier towards the tips. Is that Sulphur? Or just an illusion from mud?
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
3. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 10 2009, 2:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2009, 2:32 AM EDT
"I think its gorgeous just the way it is. I noticed something different about that plate. Its lighter yellow towards the base, and rustier towards the tips. Is that Sulphur? Or just an illusion from mud?"
Not an illusion, nor is it sulphur; limonite mud often changes color like that. Don't know the mechanism, maybe a change in oxidation state? Any ideas, Bill?
Bob
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
aubreyreynolds9@gmai
4. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 10 2009, 10:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2009, 10:21 AM EDT
"Not an illusion, nor is it sulphur; limonite mud often changes color like that. Don't know the mechanism, maybe a change in oxidation state? Any ideas, Bill?
Bob"
As you guys know, Limonite is not a true mineral but a mixture of similar hydrated iron oxide mostly goethite with lepidocrocite, jarosite, and others. . Most of limonite is made up of Goethite. Massive Goethite and Limonite can be indistinguishable. It easily changes to hematite with a loss of water. Yellow is a common color for limonite and is used as a pigment called Yellow ochre, ( Fe2O3 • n H2O.) Red ochre, (Fe2O3), is the anhydrate of yellow ochre, which turns red when heated, as this drives off the water ligands.Changes in water content changes the color. When I speak of changes in water content I refer to chemically bound water not just mixing water with the material.
With that said thanks for the recipe. By the way the agate slabs you sent me; rainbow when back lit, They look similar to the Horse Mountain picture I posted.
Bill
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
5. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 14 2009, 5:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 5:02 PM EDT
"As you guys know, Limonite is not a true mineral but a mixture of similar hydrated iron oxide mostly goethite with lepidocrocite, jarosite, and others. . Most of limonite is made up of Goethite. Massive Goethite and Limonite can be indistinguishable. It easily changes to hematite with a loss of water. Yellow is a common color for limonite and is used as a pigment called Yellow ochre, ( Fe2O3 • n H2O.) Red ochre, (Fe2O3), is the anhydrate of yellow ochre, which turns red when heated, as this drives off the water ligands.Changes in water content changes the color. When I speak of changes in water content I refer to chemically bound water not just mixing water with the material.
With that said thanks for the recipe. By the way the agate slabs you sent me; rainbow when back lit, They look similar to the Horse Mountain picture I posted.
Bill
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Thanks, Bill, I'd forgotten limonite is amorphous, and therefore not a mineral. It asssumes many forms at Spruce ... pseudomorphs after calcite, pyrite, and ankerite; stalactitic; boxwork; open space filling. One form is especially odd: some pseudos after pyrite look perfect in the vug, but when you try to pick them up, they ooze thru your fingers like Jello, or ooblick. Most of the time, I'm just trying to get rid of the stuff!

Bob

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retiredoldfogee
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6. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 14 2009, 11:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 11:47 PM EDT
"Thanks, Bill, I'd forgotten limonite is amorphous, and therefore not a mineral. It asssumes many forms at Spruce ... pseudomorphs after calcite, pyrite, and ankerite; stalactitic; boxwork; open space filling. One form is especially odd: some pseudos after pyrite look perfect in the vug, but when you try to pick them up, they ooze thru your fingers like Jello, or ooblick. Most of the time, I'm just trying to get rid of the stuff!

Bob

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Ah, I think its making sense now. Is limonite the mud inside the crystal vugs? Bob, not sure if you saw the crystal photos I posted? Any idea what they could be? They are brittle and softer then a pocket knife. Yet the rock the mini vug is in is harder then a pocket knife...

Thanks,

Aaron
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gamaliel114
gamaliel114
7. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 15 2009, 12:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 12:05 AM EDT
calcite...its always calcite ;-) Do you find this valuable?    
rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
8. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 15 2009, 3:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 3:47 PM EDT
"Ah, I think its making sense now. Is limonite the mud inside the crystal vugs? Bob, not sure if you saw the crystal photos I posted? Any idea what they could be? They are brittle and softer then a pocket knife. Yet the rock the mini vug is in is harder then a pocket knife...

Thanks,

Aaron"
The mud is mud, a mixture of decomposed granodiorite (clay) and iron oxides (limonite). The iron compounds in it replace lots of stuff at Spruce ... other minerals, tree roots, rodent poo. Yeah, we have real coprolites at Spruce, in intrusive igneous rock, no less! The limonite component of the mud makes all these wonderful things happen. The limonite is a break-down product of pyrite, produced by a bacteria which eats the pyrite. Thiobacillus ferroxidans, no friend of mine. If only someone had injected a big syringe of penicillin into Spruce about a 10,000 years ago, all the pyrite would be shiny.

Can't tell from the photo what your crystals are, but given the parameters, I agree with Zeke: likely calcite. Look for cleavage under magnification, or drop a tiny piece in acid.
Bob
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retiredoldfogee
retiredoldfogee
9. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 16 2009, 1:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 1:27 AM EDT
"The mud is mud, a mixture of decomposed granodiorite (clay) and iron oxides (limonite). The iron compounds in it replace lots of stuff at Spruce ... other minerals, tree roots, rodent poo. Yeah, we have real coprolites at Spruce, in intrusive igneous rock, no less! The limonite component of the mud makes all these wonderful things happen. The limonite is a break-down product of pyrite, produced by a bacteria which eats the pyrite. Thiobacillus ferroxidans, no friend of mine. If only someone had injected a big syringe of penicillin into Spruce about a 10,000 years ago, all the pyrite would be shiny.

Can't tell from the photo what your crystals are, but given the parameters, I agree with Zeke: likely calcite. Look for cleavage under magnification, or drop a tiny piece in acid.
Bob"
Yeah good idea. The guy with me thought barite crystals until he thought about it and said that probably wouldn't match the rock type, and then suggested calcite, mixed with quartz crystals. Ironically some of the crystals are actually flat sheets (and no not mica;) Will vinegar suffice for acid?

Thanks,

Aaron
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
10. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 16 2009, 2:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 2:28 AM EDT
Vinegar works, but a weak enuf acid that you might not see much bubbling. Put it in a shallow container so you can look with a magnifying glass. Do you find this valuable?    
Petronut
Petronut
11. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 18 2009, 1:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 18 2009, 1:50 PM EDT
Beautiful specimen, Bob.

Eric
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
12. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 19 2009, 12:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2009, 12:11 AM EDT
"Beautiful specimen, Bob.

Eric"
thanks, Eric, nice to see you back here.
Bob
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pvjjh
pvjjh
13. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 19 2009, 3:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2009, 3:55 PM EDT
You got that thing clean up yet Bob?? Huh, do ya HUH??? lol Do you find this valuable?    
Petronut
Petronut
14. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 20 2009, 8:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 8:35 AM EDT
"thanks, Eric, nice to see you back here.
Bob"
Thanks, Bob.
Eric
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
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Oct 20 2009, 6:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 6:25 PM EDT
"You got that thing clean up yet Bob?? Huh, do ya HUH??? lol"
Geez, Paul, have had a few things on my plate this week! It is swimming in oxalic right now. Took it half-cleaned to the FM symposium. A couple more days ought to do it. Will post a pic when clean.
Bob
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pvjjh
pvjjh
16. RE: Now you have me intrigued, what are you analyzing?
Oct 20 2009, 11:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 11:11 PM EDT
"Geez, Paul, have had a few things on my plate this week! It is swimming in oxalic right now. Took it half-cleaned to the FM symposium. A couple more days ought to do it. Will post a pic when clean.
Bob"
lol I know you have been busy. Must have been that stout I was drinking that evening, well ok yesterday afternoon. lol Hmmm, I will have to see I will type here in a little bit after i finish the stout I am sipping right now. lol Man mean aint I. I know you don't have any stout there well maybe no home brewed that is. lol Looking forward to seeing the clean specimen when it is done.

You get the yellerjackets taken care of??

Paul
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