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au_some
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Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 14 2009, 8:47 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 8:47 PM EST
are they real or just another scam? what do yall think?
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Curious-Case-of-the-Arkansas-Diamonds.html
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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1. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 14 2009, 10:18 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 10:18 PM EST
"are they real or just another scam? what do yall think?
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Curious-Case-of-the-Arkansas-Diamonds.html"
No doubt about it the Arkansas Diamond mine has it's share of scammers. A diamond from the mine is worth much more than an African diamond of the same quality. If a person carries an OK African into the mine gets it certified by the park geologist he can make a tidy profit. This guy got greedy and found 32 diamonds in three months. I have been to the park many times and there are "professional miners" who are peddling Arkansas diamonds from their coats to the tourist. Don't be a sucker and buy a diamond at the mine. There are diamonds in the mine for sure but they are not easy to find. To be honest I go to collect the agate and jaspers. I send a little time washing gravel but never found anything to brag about just tiny stones- I mean tiny. I have an acquaintance who found a $75000 diamond that is at the park museum.
Bill
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TallTomSr
TallTomSr
2. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 14 2009, 10:44 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 10:44 PM EST
That is the truth. IF it is easy it ain't right. I have read many stories about the crater diamonds and the one silver thread is that you have to move alot of dirt to find a diamond and the majority of them are small. I have seen articles of the old man who has dug in the same hole for over a decade and seen pics of his finds which were about a hundred or so,and yet along comes a guy who claims to have found about a third of that amount in one month. Either that guy is the worlds luckiest diamond digger or he has a diamond sniffing dog or????? something else less polite.
Tom
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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3. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 14 2009, 11:03 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 11:03 PM EST
I knew Diamond Jim Archer . He was a true gentleman and found more diamonds than any one else. He pointed out some of the scammers the first time I meet him. He worked the mine like a job. He would show up as soon as the mine opened washed until noon and took two 5 gallons of gravel to sort though at home. Four children were educated by his finds. It was not an easy job. He moved tons of kimberlite to find the gems.
Bill
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TallTomSr
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4. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 15 2009, 12:09 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 15 2009, 12:09 AM EST
yeah that was the guy's name. He kept a bunch of his diamonds for his collection and to leave his family but he sold a bunch too to meet the needs of his family. He even got in the news a few times with some of his finds. I seem to recall a picture of him with a well known politician.
tom
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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5. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Jan 15 2009, 5:51 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 15 2009, 5:51 AM EST
"yeah that was the guy's name. He kept a bunch of his diamonds for his collection and to leave his family but he sold a bunch too to meet the needs of his family. He even got in the news a few times with some of his finds. I seem to recall a picture of him with a well known politician.
tom"
He was featured in National Geographic, Readers Digest and other magazines. You probable remember him with Bill Clinton who is from Arkansas. I went to High School with Bill Clinton. Jim was African American was married to the same fine lady and as I said had four children. I will post a picture of him. He is a legend at the diamond mine. He could smell diamonds. The most beautiful diamond that I every saw was a green diamond that he showed me. He would occasionally stop and help me high grade agate.
Bill
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cherburt
6. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 21 2009, 9:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 9:16 PM EST
I just came across this site while trying to do some research on Arkansas Diamonds. i just came from my 82 yr old mothers. She went into her jewelry box and came out with a small jewelry bag and said my father who was from Arkansas bought these Arkansas Diamonds in about 1975 when they went to a cave. She does not have a certificate. I would not sell these because my father had bought them, But I am wondering what they are worth without a certificate. They are cut. There are two and I do not know carat size but they measure 1/4 inch across the top. Is there a website that sells cut Arkansas diamonds. Any info would be appreciated. Do you find this valuable?    
aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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7. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 21 2009, 10:05 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 10:05 PM EST
"I just came across this site while trying to do some research on Arkansas Diamonds. i just came from my 82 yr old mothers. She went into her jewelry box and came out with a small jewelry bag and said my father who was from Arkansas bought these Arkansas Diamonds in about 1975 when they went to a cave. She does not have a certificate. I would not sell these because my father had bought them, But I am wondering what they are worth without a certificate. They are cut. There are two and I do not know carat size but they measure 1/4 inch across the top. Is there a website that sells cut Arkansas diamonds. Any info would be appreciated. "
More than likely they are Quartz crystals. In Arkansas the shops and tourist sites sell faceted quartz crystal and call them Arkansas Diamonds. Arkansas produces great quantities of high quality quartz crystals. (see Arkansas in the National Directory). The majority of sellers say that the stones are quartz. It is miss leading to use the term "Arkansas Diamond" when it is not a diamond but this has been the norm for years. I can just about guarantee that they are quartz. Certified diamonds from the Crater of Diamonds that large would not have been sold on a cave tour. They would be sold in a specialty jewelry store for a very hefty price with the certificate. The certificate is coveted because it insures a higher price than a diamond of the same quality elsewhere. Look a the stone ask - is it clear - probable quartz. Most real Arkansas diamonds are brown, yellow and some white diamonds.
Bill
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dbsagates
dbsagates
8. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 21 2009, 10:35 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2009, 10:35 PM EST
"He was featured in National Geographic, Readers Digest and other magazines. You probable remember him with Bill Clinton who is from Arkansas. I went to High School with Bill Clinton. Jim was African American was married to the same fine lady and as I said had four children. I will post a picture of him. He is a legend at the diamond mine. He could smell diamonds. The most beautiful diamond that I every saw was a green diamond that he showed me. He would occasionally stop and help me high grade agate.
Bill"
Hi Bill from agates to diamonds ha. You know I think that I met this guy. My wife and our new faimily were down that way so we decided to check out the mine, I should say I did and of course everyone else groaned. It was at least a 100 out that morning and muggy. Well we were there about 4hrs and went through some dirt alright and I wasn't seeing anything and the kids had went inside a bought some fake ones and tossed them into my bucket and when I said hey they said well you found some lets go. Being the investigator I was I had noticed a older black gentleman who was clear down one end in waders. So I went on down and said that we were some hicks from SD who knew nothing about finding diamonds and did he have any and would he sell me one. He said that sometime he does sell to people and that his wife was in the hospital at the time. Anyway he pulled out this ole black leather coin purse from his coveralls and opened it up and he had oh I'd say 15-20 stones in there. He let me pick out one for $25 and away we went of course thanking him. Well on the way out there was this ranger or sort setting there and said how did you guys do and I said I don't know the kids have some stones they put in a vial maybe there is one in there. He took one look at the vial and said I really don't think so but let me see. Well you know the rest of the story I was over looking at pic on the wall and bells started going off. Didn't have the guts to tell. :)
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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9. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 7:54 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 7:54 AM EST
"Hi Bill from agates to diamonds ha. You know I think that I met this guy. My wife and our new faimily were down that way so we decided to check out the mine, I should say I did and of course everyone else groaned. It was at least a 100 out that morning and muggy. Well we were there about 4hrs and went through some dirt alright and I wasn't seeing anything and the kids had went inside a bought some fake ones and tossed them into my bucket and when I said hey they said well you found some lets go. Being the investigator I was I had noticed a older black gentleman who was clear down one end in waders. So I went on down and said that we were some hicks from SD who knew nothing about finding diamonds and did he have any and would he sell me one. He said that sometime he does sell to people and that his wife was in the hospital at the time. Anyway he pulled out this ole black leather coin purse from his coveralls and opened it up and he had oh I'd say 15-20 stones in there. He let me pick out one for $25 and away we went of course thanking him. Well on the way out there was this ranger or sort setting there and said how did you guys do and I said I don't know the kids have some stones they put in a vial maybe there is one in there. He took one look at the vial and said I really don't think so but let me see. Well you know the rest of the story I was over looking at pic on the wall and bells started going off. Didn't have the guts to tell. :)"
Did you get a certificate? Your $25 dollar investment might be worth much more. I can tell you Jim Archer was on the up and up. If he sold you an Arkansas diamond it was from the mine. Great guy. Honest as the day is long. No one knows for sure how many diamonds he found. Some friends of his say upwards of 2000 none of them the big bonanza.The mine gets hotter than hades in the middle of summer.That's why I have a trip coming up the 21st of March. The weather should be great.
Bill
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dbsagates
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10. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 10:40 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 10:40 AM EST
"Did you get a certificate? Your $25 dollar investment might be worth much more. I can tell you Jim Archer was on the up and up. If he sold you an Arkansas diamond it was from the mine. Great guy. Honest as the day is long. No one knows for sure how many diamonds he found. Some friends of his say upwards of 2000 none of them the big bonanza.The mine gets hotter than hades in the middle of summer.That's why I have a trip coming up the 21st of March. The weather should be great.
Bill"
Oh ya they they give out a certificate on the bell ringer ha. Its in one of those photos I posted on here but don't know how well it showed up. Kinda yellowish color. Not as big as the one Hillery was wearing but its a diamond right! When we were there that morning there was helicopters flying over the area with some torpedo looking devices hanging below them making a grid of the area. I wouldn't mind going back and checking out the area. I wonder why a person couldn't wear special glasses to inhance a stone if it was present on the surface. Oh suppose all angles have been explored on that topic right! So how did you do on your outing? DB
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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11. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 2:28 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 2:28 PM EST
We did great. Stopped on the Canadian and we were allowed to high grade the oversize at a huge gravel operation. They did the hard work and we did the picking and choosing. It was a whole lot like looking for Fairburn agate. Huge piles of gravel and focusing on the good stuff. You know how it is at French Creek Campground - more gravel than can be took in at one time. It was not near as large an area as the French Creek site We worked one oversize pile but the high grade was plentiful and we came away with as much as I wanted to haul in my pick up.
Bill
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dbsagates
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12. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 3:21 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 3:24 PM EST
"We did great. Stopped on the Canadian and we were allowed to high grade the oversize at a huge gravel operation. They did the hard work and we did the picking and choosing. It was a whole lot like looking for Fairburn agate. Huge piles of gravel and focusing on the good stuff. You know how it is at French Creek Campground - more gravel than can be took in at one time. It was not near as large an area as the French Creek site We worked one oversize pile but the high grade was plentiful and we came away with as much as I wanted to haul in my pick up.
Bill"
Just got home from Church and had something to eat, the wife working today (911) someone has to work right! Watching the History Ch and the topic UFO Crash Sites Investigations. Getting back to agates, so it sounds like you found a lot of stuff at least enough to keep you busy cutting I bet. Ya the French Creek area is kinda over wehelming alright to say the least. I have been investigating the fact that these agate beds were laid in place by possibley a sheet of ice and that the beds are pretty much at the same a alt. So far that seems to be the case. My comments have drew mixed thoughts but who knows for sure I don't think they do either.
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aubreyreynolds9@gmai
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13. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 3:41 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 3:41 PM EST
I would say that you are quit correct. The piles of gravel in South Dakota look remarkable like the piles of Glacier till I have seen in Indiana and Illinois. The Ice acted like giant bulldozers leaving huge piles of rocks and other debris. It is rather overwhelming in the agate fields of South Dakota. One does not know were to start. You feel like a kid in the Willie Wonka Chocolate Factory.
Bill
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dbsagates
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14. RE: Curious Case of the Arkansas Diamonds
Feb 22 2009, 4:44 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2009, 4:44 PM EST
Bill I'll comment on this back at the Agate site, Don is getting lonely there ha. Do you find this valuable?