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WizardOfTheStone |
"If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 8:21 AM EST
I'm tired and I give up, I have struggled to attract users away from the "harshness" of the Wetpaint's format.. and have witnessed many others within the wetpaint's sites suffering with the same issues that I have and continue to do.. Yet I am still drawn here by the fact there are some that have contacted me to offer their support in the knowing we are a group.. and we do have differences.. But I would hope many will over look my "blurts" and see what I have to offer instead..I am fascinated with the mineral aspect of my hobby.. Yet I would not consider myself to be a rock hound. (as many of you have heard me say) I will try my best to offer images.. and my views on many subjects relevant to the treasure hunting hobby. It's just that everyone has some wonderful images.. and instead of me running around trying to get everyone in one place.. I have elected to stay and at least offer my own view on what we collect, be it gold, rocks, or what ever anyone deems fit to be called "Treasure". If an "image speaks a thousand words".. then all I have are images.. I do have things to say and add to these images... So I will try to proof read them before posting.. True wetpaint does have some issues.. But I have figured the longer I stay.. the more apt wetpaint may decide to change or update their system.. and I wouldn't want to miss this. So I would hope to have some articals posted soon.. Do you find this valuable?
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WilliOfTheValley |
1. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 8:27 AM EST
It will be a pleasure to have you with us. We are interested in any kind of treasure people find. Looking forward to your knowledge and expertise on the minerals you find & have. Willi Do you find this valuable? |
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washatonian |
2. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 8:54 AM EST
We extend a big WIKI Welcome 2 U. Ya know wizard, stones can be awful cold but it sounds as though you have heat treated yours. Treasures hunters of all kinds are certainly welcomed and encouraged to share their factual experiences orally and visually within this openly public forum.Aman Do you find this valuable? |
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WizardOfTheStone |
3. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 9:10 AM EST
""Sounds as though you have heat treated yours"Matter of fact I'm against the "heat treated" effects done to minerals and gems.. its getting harder to tell what is and what isn't. In the case of the "citrine" (i'll post an image shortly in my profile) I acquired this at a yard sale a few months ago. At the time I was unclear if the stone was in fact heat treated.. and after doing a bit of research.. I am 98% sure that the citrine is or has been heat treated. I would like to think I'll bring a different aspect to this forum.. mainly dealing with the proper and improper care of your "Show" minerals. I'll speak about this more in other articles.. And Thanks for the welcome. Do you find this valuable? |
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pvjjh |
4. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 2:16 PM EST
There as many treatments done to rocks, minerals, and gems. Mostly to bring out or enhance the beauty of the material or actually change the color. Gems are most often treated by some sort or another. Be it heated as with Sapphires, Tansinite, Benitoite, to mention a few, Topaz is irradiated, Emeralds are oiled and the list goes on and on. Amethyst is heated to produce a deeper colored Citrine. (Natural Citrine is generally pale yellow.) I guess my question would be was the crystal worth more as an Amethyst or as a heat treated Citrine. As I recall, Rock and Gem had an article in a past issue on quartz and if left in the sun the colors can change or fade. Interesting stuff. I am sure there are lot more minerals, rocks and gems that can be adversely affected by different environmental conditions.Of course this brings up the age old debate: does any treatment of a stone (all inclusvie) increase, decrease or make no change in the stones value. When purchasing stones the seller is suppose to reveal if the stone has been treated or not. But do they always?? Another nasty question. lol I look forward to more insites, adventures and pictures of rocks and minerals, Wizard, welcome back. Paul Paul Do you find this valuable? |
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WizardOfTheStone |
5. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 2:43 PM EST
This has been an on going debate.. Many questions asked of me are relevant to the "Why" or "How come" a mineral or gem is heat treated.. The only explanation I can offer one (when she handed me her ring, which appeared to be a ruby, but was a topaz instead) is that persons not knowing the whole truth or any truth for that matter are taken advantage of.. They are sold a lesses stone or gems assuming it is the "real" deal.. I am not aware of all of the posses which stones are heated or even treated.. But the above mentioned ruby/topaz will be one I will never forget, when I told her that her so called "ruby" was infact a topaz and watching her face afterwards. I'm sure in many cases, Persons whom deal in "faking" gems and minerals are not willing to come clean in this aspect. I believe their is a big difference in the cost or value of a "cluster" compared to a gem on a ring.. (assuming both are heat treated)One thing is for certain.. it is not an easy task to identify minerals.. and I have been very fortunate to have many books on the subject.. and of course Rock & Gem Magazine has offered many well thought out advice on many topics.. However, I'll not say to much more on this subject, but I will be making this my next post in the Minerals: Myths, Legions and Properties category. And thanks Paul. Do you find this valuable? |
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syonix |
6. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 5:48 PM EST
"There as many treatments done to rocks, minerals, and gems. Mostly to bring out or enhance the beauty of the material or actually change the color. Gems are most often treated by some sort or another. Be it heated as with Sapphires, Tansinite, Benitoite, to mention a few, Topaz is irradiated, Emeralds are oiled and the list goes on and on. Amethyst is heated to produce a deeper colored Citrine. (Natural Citrine is generally pale yellow.) I guess my question would be was the crystal worth more as an Amethyst or as a heat treated Citrine. As I recall, Rock and Gem had an article in a past issue on quartz and if left in the sun the colors can change or fade. Interesting stuff. I am sure there are lot more minerals, rocks and gems that can be adversely affected by different environmental conditions.I overheard someone at the last rock show i was at talking about how they heat treated carnelian in a pressure cooker at like 400 degrees for 45 mintues and turned white/orange/yellow into a deep red color .. Has anyone had any experience on this? If it works it might be kind of a fun experiment for me to try ,,, I do have to admit It seems crazy to be because in my experiments on ebay, the red colored carnelian went for way more money, and if you can turn any chalcedony into red chalcecony then it just boggles ones mind as to why people would value it more .. Do you find this valuable? |
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WizardOfTheStone |
7. RE: "If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them"
Jan 20 2009, 6:37 PM EST
I feel if the seller is forward with the buyer on this issue.. (Meaning the seller tells the buyer that the minerals has been heat treated or Pressurized to some degree to alter the color or appearance) then the buyer has been informed of this transformation.. After this, if the buyer is willing to pay for not only the mineral but the treatment of the mineral then I do not see anything wrong with this practice.. However If sellers are not coming clean with the buyers and are strictly out to make a buck off some unsuspecting individual, then Yes I have an issue with them and this.. Typically my wife and myself would only attend mineral and gems shows to amuse our self.. and take note of the structure and fascination of what someone was able to unearth.. But we have not, nor would we ever consider buying anything from these shows.. Sounds harsh but true. If I knew the seller (personally) then I'm sure we would buy allot more.. Do you find this valuable? |