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jakesrocks
jakesrocks
Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 11:00 AM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 11:00 AM EDT
Has anyone on here tried to do electroforming on rocks ? I've been having a conversation with someone on another site who has been playing around with it. Sounds like it would be fun to try. I have the plating machine and solutions, and only need silver based paint to give it a try.
Don
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
1. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 11:46 AM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 11:47 AM EDT
"Has anyone on here tried to do electroforming on rocks ? I've been having a conversation with someone on another site who has been playing around with it. Sounds like it would be fun to try. I have the plating machine and solutions, and only need silver based paint to give it a try.
Don"
Used to do that alot when I owned a shop, Don. Mostly on ocos, the tiny Brazilian geodes, but works on any surface. Low current produces smooth surfaces, very high current can initiate crystal growth, for wild forms. I used copper based paint.

Bob
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montanamadman
montanamadman
2. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 12:28 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 12:28 PM EDT
"Used to do that alot when I owned a shop, Don. Mostly on ocos, the tiny Brazilian geodes, but works on any surface. Low current produces smooth surfaces, very high current can initiate crystal growth, for wild forms. I used copper based paint.

Bob"
hey bob that sounds wild ,would love to see a piece of that,do we now call you dr frankinbob r o g l m a o,science is amazing especialy when it comes to geoligy
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jakesrocks
jakesrocks
3. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 12:29 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 12:29 PM EDT
"Used to do that alot when I owned a shop, Don. Mostly on ocos, the tiny Brazilian geodes, but works on any surface. Low current produces smooth surfaces, very high current can initiate crystal growth, for wild forms. I used copper based paint.

Bob"
I've been advised against using the copper based paint, due to little lumps that tend to show up as it dries. I've never done this before, but have the equipment to do it. It should be interesting to see what happens. Too many hobbies, too little time.
Don
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montanamadman
montanamadman
4. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 12:39 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 12:39 PM EDT
"I've been advised against using the copper based paint, due to little lumps that tend to show up as it dries. I've never done this before, but have the equipment to do it. It should be interesting to see what happens. Too many hobbies, too little time.
Don"
as onery as you ar don ,you,ll live forever,post a picture if you do try one please
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jakesrocks
jakesrocks
5. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 1:13 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 1:13 PM EDT
"as onery as you ar don ,you,ll live forever,post a picture if you do try one please"
Have to get the paint that you plate over first. Trying to decide which would be best, Acid based plating solution, or cyanide ? I know that the cyanide solutions are dangerous to work with. I'd probably be in trouble if OSHA found out that I had them.
Don
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montanamadman
montanamadman
6. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 1:21 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 1:21 PM EDT
"Have to get the paint that you plate over first. Trying to decide which would be best, Acid based plating solution, or cyanide ? I know that the cyanide solutions are dangerous to work with. I'd probably be in trouble if OSHA found out that I had them.
Don"
dont go getting your self hurt or worse,thats a chemical no to be played with to say the least,i remember my N B C training nasty wmd to say the least
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jakesrocks
jakesrocks
7. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 1:52 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 1:52 PM EDT
"dont go getting your self hurt or worse,thats a chemical no to be played with to say the least,i remember my N B C training nasty wmd to say the least"
Don't worry Madman. I know enough not to mix the acid based and cyanide based solutions together. And if I'm going to use the cyanide, I work outside and stay upwind of it. I've played with chemicals before. Sodium cyanide gas isn't something you want to mess with.
Don
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montanamadman
montanamadman
8. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 1:54 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 1:54 PM EDT
"Don't worry Madman. I know enough not to mix the acid based and cyanide based solutions together. And if I'm going to use the cyanide, I work outside and stay upwind of it. I've played with chemicals before. Sodium cyanide gas isn't something you want to mess with.
Don"
got that right !!!!!
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
9. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 8:51 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 8:57 PM EDT
"Don't worry Madman. I know enough not to mix the acid based and cyanide based solutions together. And if I'm going to use the cyanide, I work outside and stay upwind of it. I've played with chemicals before. Sodium cyanide gas isn't something you want to mess with.
Don"
Never had any trouble with the copper paint. We used cyanide solution for electroforming and for cleaning up castings. Had a good, powerful exhaust fan, hood, and never let the solution boil. Can't be too careful with that stuff. the chemicals we used came from Dixon.

This is a link to a photo of plated Oco jewelry, very similar to what we used to make/peddle. http://crystalrivergems.com/products/minerals/agate/agatependents/foiled/Pend_Plated_GPgeode.jpg

Bob
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pvjjh
pvjjh
10. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 9:01 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 9:01 PM EDT
"Never had any trouble with the copper paint. We used cyanide solution for electroforming and for cleaning up castings. Had a good, powerful exhaust fan, hood, and never let the solution boil. Can't be too careful with that stuff. the chemicals we used came from Dixon.

This is a link to a photo of plated Oco jewelry, very similar to what we used to make/peddle. http://crystalrivergems.com/products/minerals/agate/agatependents/foiled/Pend_Plated_GPgeode.jpg

Bob"
those are very cool. I don't thiunk I have ever seen anything that looked like that. Are the pendant clasps drilled or how are they put on. You have any idea?

Paul
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
11. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 9:07 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 9:07 PM EDT
"those are very cool. I don't thiunk I have ever seen anything that looked like that. Are the pendant clasps drilled or how are they put on. You have any idea?

Paul"
Nice thing about electroforming, anything you can paint becomes metallic. We just epoxied the bails on ours, then painted over the epoxy to have it look like solid gold. All that glitters ... lol. Had a whole line of electroformed jewelry: seeds, nuts, cones, fish fossils, trilobites, little amethyst points; but ocos were the big seller.

Bob
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pvjjh
pvjjh
12. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 9:16 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 9:16 PM EDT
"Nice thing about electroforming, anything you can paint becomes metallic. We just epoxied the bails on ours, then painted over the epoxy to have it look like solid gold. All that glitters ... lol. Had a whole line of electroformed jewelry: seeds, nuts, cones, fish fossils, trilobites, little amethyst points; but ocos were the big seller.

Bob"
So that is how they make the bails look like it is part of the gold or coating. Very cool.
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jakesrocks
jakesrocks
13. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 6 2010, 10:18 PM EDT | Post edited: May 6 2010, 10:18 PM EDT
Once I get the supplies I need, I think I'm going to have fun with this. Hey Bob, whay amperage would you recommend to start out with ?
Don
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rockcandyguy
rockcandyguy
14. RE: Electro Forming on Cabs
May 8 2010, 8:51 PM EDT | Post edited: May 8 2010, 8:51 PM EDT
Been too long, Don, I don't recall. Was near the bottom of what the mfg recommended. Can picture where the dial was set, will rummage around in my shop and see if I still have the unit. Sold a bunch of the machinery when we sold the shop.

Bob
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