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retiredoldfogee
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Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 3 2009, 1:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2009, 1:10 PM EDT
This is an amazing stone, and I had to share this mini video. Its a shame the video does not do this stone justice. Do you find this valuable?    
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gamaliel114
gamaliel114
1. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 3 2009, 8:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2009, 8:56 PM EDT
I wonder when Cynthia is going to pop in and post her finds? Maybe she didn't make it back from Hansen creek!

~Zeke
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gamaliel114
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2. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 3 2009, 9:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2009, 9:02 PM EDT
I think I'm Going to Deer Creek via Finney Creek Road (fs 17 & 18) this weekend. I you want to tag along you'll have to get up early though. Saturday or Sunday. Unless Cynthia still wants to go, then I'll just take her down to Oso.

~Zeke
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gamaliel114
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3. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 3 2009, 9:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2009, 9:43 PM EDT
I just saw the weather...rain Sat and Sun. If it's not too bad that's a plus for hunting the muddied creek gravels. But not very kid friendly hunting, so I think upper Deer it will be (and Finney while I'm up there).
~zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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4. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 4 2009, 12:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 12:51 AM EDT
"I just saw the weather...rain Sat and Sun. If it's not too bad that's a plus for hunting the muddied creek gravels. But not very kid friendly hunting, so I think upper Deer it will be (and Finney while I'm up there).
~zeke"
LOL, I drove up there and its pretty tough driving. I actually drove off a couple of 4 foot drops where the creeks had washed them out, and my wife thought I was trying to kill the family. It was raining and hard to see so I didn't even expect it. Anyways, I'd love to go up there. Unfortunately no Grossular up there, I don't think.
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gamaliel114
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5. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 4 2009, 1:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 1:38 AM EDT
Yeah, I haven't found any on Finney, and the main source areas on Deer are much lower. but i think that part of Deer might have the bulk of the "Finney's Finest" load. That's the one that might be jadeite. The source area is actually closer to Deer creek. Because it will be a scouting trip with some hiking I will be up there at the crack of dawn, literally. I'll be leaving while it is still dark. That way I'll have enough time to get lost, break my ankle and claw my way back to the car before it gets dark. let me know what you plan so we can meet up somewhere later if you can't do the butt-crack of dawn thing.
~Zeke
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gamaliel114
gamaliel114
6. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 4 2009, 8:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 8:31 AM EDT
Actually, I'm going to go scout it out now :-) Do you find this valuable?    
gamaliel114
gamaliel114
7. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 4 2009, 9:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 9:28 PM EDT
I'm back. I don't want to talk about it...

Cynthia does want to go to Deer creek this weekend. So I'll be doing that.
If we do get together to go to higher up on deer, we need to do it from the Pilchuck side, and just hike in up the road if it is gated.

~Zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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8. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 4 2009, 10:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2009, 10:45 PM EDT
"I'm back. I don't want to talk about it...

Cynthia does want to go to Deer creek this weekend. So I'll be doing that.
If we do get together to go to higher up on deer, we need to do it from the Pilchuck side, and just hike in up the road if it is gated.

~Zeke"
Hi Zeke,

I spoke to the wife and it has to be Sunday. It will be awesome to hit the upper creek with you if your game on Sunday:) FYI, if we have good luck then I can make Monday free since its a holiday.

Thanks,

Aaron
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gamaliel114
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9. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 5:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 5:58 PM EDT
Upper UPPER Deer Creek isn't worth it!!!!! We need to just hit the area above the known source, just past the box canyon above Oso. I'm waiting to hear back from Cynthia about Sun./Mon. If she wants to go Sunday, then I'm just going to show her around Oso. I am itching to get higher up the creek, so I am game for which ever day Cynthia doesn't pick.

~Zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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10. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 10:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 10:59 PM EDT
"Upper UPPER Deer Creek isn't worth it!!!!! We need to just hit the area above the known source, just past the box canyon above Oso. I'm waiting to hear back from Cynthia about Sun./Mon. If she wants to go Sunday, then I'm just going to show her around Oso. I am itching to get higher up the creek, so I am game for which ever day Cynthia doesn't pick.

~Zeke"
I want to go up tomorrow. I'm not sure which area you went to, or if you even reached the right side, as Deer Creek splits one east and one west. To get to the one that goes down to Oso, I believe the closest to get to it is like a 1/4 mile hike from the nearest road. Not sure if you went to that area or the other Deer Creek;)Hows tomorrow morning for you? I have clearance by the wife for early morning if I drop my family off at Grandma's on the way. Let me know tonight.

Thanks,

Aaron
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retiredoldfogee
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11. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 11:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 11:00 PM EDT
FYI, early morning for my wife is not the same as early morning for you;) Do you find this valuable?    
gamaliel114
gamaliel114
12. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 11:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 11:19 PM EDT
Alright, let's do it. What is early to your wife? that is what time should i expect you?
~Zeke
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gamaliel114
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13. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 11:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 11:53 PM EDT
I am confused by the East /west thing. There is only one deer Creek Branch (another is little deer creek) The entire area accessible via finney creek road is not worth it in my opinion. The roads as indicated don't seem correct, though i am willing to give it another shot. If you stop too far up deer in that area you are only going to find volcanic rock and chert. sense all the roads on the lake cavanaugh side are gated, what is this Quarter mile walk? I figure you are referring to walking in off the LK Cav/deer creek road just above Oso, otherwise we will be hiking miles up the gated road (there are several) before we get to the creek. I'm assuming you want to hit the fault zone, or just above it as that is the main source area on the creek. there are minor sources further up, but like I said, unless you have a key, it's a walk. Let me know what you are thinking. Make a mapquest map.
~Zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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14. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 5 2009, 11:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2009, 11:57 PM EDT
"Alright, let's do it. What is early to your wife? that is what time should i expect you?
~Zeke"
Hi Zeke,

When I asked the wife about getting to Everett by 8AM she got hostile, that means leave the house by 7:20AM, and Oso by around 9AM. I am wheeling and dealing with her, She hinted that if I get back by 5PM she might consider it. I know my family, and realistically that means 9:30AM to 10AM and I will shoot for getting her to Everett by 8AM. We can assess the situation in the morning, and I will call you on my way there to give you a more precise time. Does that work for you?

P.S. I may need to stop on the way to buy a poncho as I haven't had my rain gear out all year.

Thanks,

Aaron
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gamaliel114
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15. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 6 2009, 12:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2009, 12:04 AM EDT
I'll bring an extra poncho. Where should we meet? I think The oso gas station is best, that way if I get there early i can just poke around on the creek.

~Zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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16. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 6 2009, 12:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2009, 12:43 AM EDT
"I'll bring an extra poncho. Where should we meet? I think The oso gas station is best, that way if I get there early i can just poke around on the creek.

~Zeke"
I think the gas station is best as well. What do you think the chance is of these being Kimberlite Pipes?
http://www.fishingworks.com/lakes/washington/snohomish/mount-higgins/granite-lake-potholes/

Thanks,

Aaron
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gamaliel114
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17. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 6 2009, 1:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2009, 1:15 AM EDT
Nope, by I'm no expert. they seem to be a product of glaciation. the "unit" they are on is described as follows:

Till (Pleistocene)—Nonstratified, matrix-supported mixture of clay, silt, sand,
and gravel in various proportions with disseminated cobbles and boulders;
compact or dense; mottled dark yellowish brown to brownish gray, grayish
blue, or very dark gray; matrix commonly consists of silty fine to coarse sand
with or without clay; includes Canadian-provenance and locally derived clasts;
where overlying bedrock, up to 90 percent of basal clasts are excavated from
underlying bedrock; generally a few yards thick, but can range from a
discontinuous veneer to several tens of yards; forms a patchy cover over much
of the study area; overlies bedrock in elevated alpine settings but forms a
conformable layer in glacial-terrace and low valley-bottom settings and thus
mantles topography (cross sections A and B); consists largely of lodgment till
but may locally include flow till.

The term "potholes' seems to describe a known geological feature, that if they were kimberlite pipes, that term would be found in the texts describing these features, but that is not the case.

~Zeke
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retiredoldfogee
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18. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 6 2009, 2:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2009, 2:28 AM EDT
"Nope, by I'm no expert. they seem to be a product of glaciation. the "unit" they are on is described as follows:

Till (Pleistocene)—Nonstratified, matrix-supported mixture of clay, silt, sand,
and gravel in various proportions with disseminated cobbles and boulders;
compact or dense; mottled dark yellowish brown to brownish gray, grayish
blue, or very dark gray; matrix commonly consists of silty fine to coarse sand
with or without clay; includes Canadian-provenance and locally derived clasts;
where overlying bedrock, up to 90 percent of basal clasts are excavated from
underlying bedrock; generally a few yards thick, but can range from a
discontinuous veneer to several tens of yards; forms a patchy cover over much
of the study area; overlies bedrock in elevated alpine settings but forms a
conformable layer in glacial-terrace and low valley-bottom settings and thus
mantles topography (cross sections A and B); consists largely of lodgment till
but may locally include flow till.

The term "potholes' seems to describe a known geological feature, that if they were kimberlite pipes, that term would be found in the texts describing these features, but that is not the case.

~Zeke"
Only if they have actually tested the stone at the bottom of the potholes. The thing I got from reading all of DiamondProspector's posts is usually they never have a clue these things are there.
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gamaliel114
gamaliel114
19. RE: Zeke's Deer Creek Grossular Garnet
Sep 6 2009, 3:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2009, 3:09 AM EDT
With how heavily studied the area is, I doubt it. Because it's a fault zone they have studied the entire region with a magnifying glass (that's where all the good maps are coming from), but who knows? I keep thinking I heard something about diamonds in the Mt. Higgins area, but I may have just been day-dreaming...very likely just day-dreaming:-) See you tomorrow.

~Zeke
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